Kays 
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Ancient Technologies and Knowledge.
« Posted Oct 24, 2009, 05:33 PM » |
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One of the things which staggers my mind is the capabilities of some of the ancient cultures. Not only in the terms of technology for warfare, but also for building. As well as the knowledge that many had of the heavens.
Before the time Europe wasn't even a collection of nomadic tribes. Many civilisations were building massive structures which seem impossible to do without the aid of modern equipment. Creating massive infrastructure for the cites like water, sewage and roads. Ancient mariners were able to navigate by the stars both exploring and for trade. Some ranging quite a distance. To do this they must of had an exceptional knowledge of math. Something which is not intuitive and takes time to learn and comprehend.
Yet way back, ages ago, many civilizations around the world did have these capabilities.
I've always wondered if there was a common link? In the Mediterranean, knowledge did flow between the various civilizations and cultures. But did it get to the East or to North America?
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anglosaxon
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Re: Ancient Technologies and Knowledge.
« Reply #1 Posted Oct 25, 2009, 05:37 PM » |
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the stuff the greeks and egyptians achived is scary. the egyptians are remembered for the shpinx and pyramids, but if you look at some of the small artefacts youll find that they built very space age looking objects. http://www.veling.nl/anne/templars/ancientaircraft_nf.htmlthe greeks on the other hand built a crazy automatic hand washing machine that, when you pressed a button, pushed a ball of soap out for you to wash your hands with, then gave you water, then gave you a towel. it was coin operated. they also invented a steam engine, some ridiculously large ships with huge catapults on them, and a boat called a "forty" which was a catamran and had FORTY BANKS of rowers. it required over 4000 rowers. needless to say, these were for show. if the roman empire hadnt halted thier research, who knows what they could have achieved..... |
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Kays
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Re: Ancient Technologies and Knowledge.
« Reply #2 Posted Oct 25, 2009, 11:03 PM » |
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There are also such discoveries in several cultures in North America. During the 60's or 70's there was a book published called "Chariot of the Gods" which suggested extraterrestrial influence. There's a lot of evedence ponting in that direction. But I'm still a bit skeptical.
The History Channel is running a series on "Ancient Inventions" and some of this was covered. It's amasing what they were able to do with the resources availalbe at that time. They were very brilliant and ingenious people.
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Alkatraz2212
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Re: Ancient Technologies and Knowledge.
« Reply #3 Posted Oct 26, 2009, 08:54 PM » |
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It really is a shame that only today we have created things like that the the egyptians and Greeks had thought of thousands of years ago. Such as those helicopters. But I don't think that those "helicopters" or other aircraft were truly of their own design. It might be their recollections of UFOs that made flybys.
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anglosaxon
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Re: Ancient Technologies and Knowledge.
« Reply #4 Posted Oct 28, 2009, 09:52 PM » |
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ancient discoveries - ive watched that and record it whenever it is on. its funny that we see ourselves as "civilised" and "clever" when we would never survive in that era, let alone build automatic hand washing machines.
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Okapidragon
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Re: Ancient Technologies and Knowledge.
« Reply #5 Posted Jan 07, 2010, 11:06 PM » |
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Anglosaxon, I must speak to the contrary. It was my people, the alchemists, that were behind much of ancient art, inventions and medicine.
Interestingly and probably pertinently, there is a consistent myth along the eastern coasts of every European, Asian and African country (on the east coast, of course), including China, Egypt, India, Mongolia (the Mongol lands in general), Persia (Iran), the south African tribes, Slavia (Russia and other Soviet nations), the Anglican tribes and the Nordic countries. This "myth" consistently tells of a tall, shining race of typically superior, golden people, sometimes warlike, that came and brought the powers of medicine, alchemy, metallurgy, mechanics, agriculture and maths to the people. Though this could be oral tradition across the entire landmass, many of these places had no direct contact, and it is hard to believe that the same story could pass, mostly intact, through so many hands, and still be the same story, even to details of physical description.
If one wishes to research the mythological persons in greater detail, I know the following names given them by various cultures:
Egypt: Companions of Horus
Anglican tribes: Sidhe (pronounced "Shee")
Nordic nations: Elves
India: Siddha
China: Sons of Reflected Light
This, too, might pertain, as the "aircraft" do, to extraterrestrial influence, though I'm more apt to think either supernatural influences or simply some conquesting people that has since died out. I also prefer the latter to the former in terms of probability, though both seem more likely than temporary occupation by extraterrestrial beings humanoid and fundamentally human in nature, with personal knowledge pertinent to humans (if highly advanced humans) and similar human needs, dislikes and sentiments. They weren't even green, in most cases.
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anglosaxon
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Re: Ancient Technologies and Knowledge.
« Reply #6 Posted Jan 08, 2010, 10:20 AM » |
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ive heard of that idea.
but then again, i was watching a documentary (what else is there to do on tuesday??) that claimed that the race of tall people were aliens, who mated with apes to create modern humans.
now if that doesnt sound like nonsense, i dont know what does. we are more likely to mate with cabbages and carrots that we are to mate with aliens. aliens might have DNA, but it would be so different from ours that mating is out of the question.
but i do support your idea of an advanced ancient empire that has long since dissapeared. maybe they travelled west and landed on the east coast of continents, where they were met by the tribes of people already living there.
i reckon that the world was a very different place back then. one idea ive often thought of is that there were people much cleverer than us who lived for a few thousand years, only to be wiped out by a natural disaster, which left only a few suvivors.
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Kays
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Re: Ancient Technologies and Knowledge.
« Reply #7 Posted Jan 08, 2010, 06:14 PM » |
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If that was the case, don't you think that there would be more evidence of thier existance. Alhough there are qute a few clues to suggest such. Or legends as Okapidragon eluded to.
But still, and going back to my first post. Where or how did some ancient civilisations aquire such advanced knowledge of the heavens? Were they just very observant or did they have first hand knowledge?
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Sabres
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Re: Ancient Technologies and Knowledge.
« Reply #8 Posted Jan 08, 2010, 07:18 PM » |
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That's really interesting. Do you guys think that there are some connections between the UFOs and the angels? And heaven, above the clouds a whole new world. Maybe foreign planes came through the sky, down to the earth and that's why they think that such a place exist. But there should be some evidence for this, so this might be a false view point.  |
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Alkatraz2212
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Re: Ancient Technologies and Knowledge.
« Reply #9 Posted Jan 09, 2010, 07:13 AM » |
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I know I've just reached the pinnacle of geekiness, but perhaps, like in Spore, a UFO came from the "heavens" and did some feats never thought possible, and that's how our ancestors came up with the idea of "God". I am still a firm believer of God, and while I'm not trying to turn this into a religious, I feel like there must be some way or some incentive to ancient people to come up with God.
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Kays
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Re: Ancient Technologies and Knowledge.
« Reply #10 Posted Jan 09, 2010, 11:26 AM » |
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That is an interesting thought. But not all ancient civilisations embrace the idea of an angel type figure.
The Greek gods were base on natural elements. As still are those of the North American native people. Even though they are Christan now, a lot of those old believes still exist.
Just a note. Although there is a rule against religious discussion. I don't have a problem with discussion about religions. I do find that fascinating. What I don't want to see is someone getting up on a soapbox, expounding the virtues of their own religion.
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Michael-G
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Re: Ancient Technologies and Knowledge.
« Reply #11 Posted Jan 09, 2010, 12:09 PM » |
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Ancient Aircraft hieroglyphs, were actually drawn there by mistake, since Egyptians write the history of their pharaoh on walls, and they had to rewrite history since they changed their pharaoh, or something simmilanr don't take my word for it. So that's how those space ships and helicopters came to be, they are hieroglyph rewritten on each other, i think i watched the whole hour and a half story about that on discovery channel  And yeah So advanced civilizations like Mayan And Egyptians, so scary, I wonder what really happened to Mayans could joust the lack of water and suaging systems destroy their civilization totally? or a lot of sacrifices did that :/ Really interesting topic  |
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Kays
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Re: Ancient Technologies and Knowledge.
« Reply #12 Posted Jan 09, 2010, 05:13 PM » |
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But one of the strange things is that the presence is recorded/noted on an intercontinental basis. Not only are there such findings in Egypt, but elsewhere also. Such as images of "helmeted" people and the "Alien runways" in South America So that's the story then. To me it looks remarkably like an Apache Attack helicopter. I wonder if there's any truth in the idea of time travel and if the US Army is looking for a lost helicopter and crew?  |
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Okapidragon
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Re: Ancient Technologies and Knowledge.
« Reply #13 Posted Jan 11, 2010, 02:28 AM » |
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LOLz, Kays.
Anyway, could it be possible that there was a mid-Pacific island civilization that succumbed to natural disaster? This has several details which might contribute to its verity. Though we have looked for and glorified Atlantis, Pacifica has yet to be documented, which would make perfect sense due to the size of the Pacific, the Pacific volcanic activity, and a mid-ocean fault that would be awfully easy to fall into. If a civilization, through its isolation, came to believe tat it was the only in the entire world, and, through its isolation, became inbred to accent very specific and disparate traits, and, again through its isolation, made massive advances in ethics, science, mathematics, technology, philosophy, astronomy, etc., due to a lack of: War; Outside law and influences; and Isolation from the lights of civilization (read, campfires). These self-centred people would most likely notice rising water in ample time to realize that their world was ending, and might have ridden ships off into the ocean, and ended up in the rest of the world.
This is somewhat like the outplayed idea of humans leaving a dying earth and stumbling upon other civilizations that are either more or less advanced, and acting accordingly.
Anyway, similar and extravagant ideas appeared spontaneously around the same period on the eastern coast of everywhere, so I actually find it more likely that there was a common, conquering originator than that these things are ingrained on the human soul and were just waiting to be opened by the collective societal psyche, not being a superstitious or religious man, beyond the basic sense of Animism necessary for my philosophy.
At any rate, I just found a new book on this very subject (or at least the alchemical portion) that actually mentions this mysterious, tall race(!), called The Philosophers' Stone: Uncovering the Secrets of Alchemy, so I will relate what I learn after I finish with it.
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Kays
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Re: Ancient Technologies and Knowledge.
« Reply #14 Posted Jan 11, 2010, 03:20 PM » |
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I was going to make a mention of Atlantis. There are many thoughts and theories on it ranging from an island in the Mediterranean which succumbed to a natural disaster to a notion that it is locked under the ice in Antarctica.
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anglosaxon
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Re: Ancient Technologies and Knowledge.
« Reply #15 Posted Jan 11, 2010, 04:06 PM » |
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WOW....  that's some deeps stuff, guys. i agree with the idea that the similarity of most animistic religions in the world points toward something strange. i am a devout christian, and besides being someone who disagrees with the bridge between science and the bible, i actually promote it. sorry for going off topic, but ive just gotta make this point. in the bible, theres alot of stuff in the first few chapters that most athiests dont believe. but according to the bible: 1) in the beginning of time there is a great light, and the sun is created after this. (this could refer to the big bang) 2) the world starts off without form, but land rises up and splits the seas (scientists and astronomers believe that this is the way that the continents formed) 3) the first animals to be created are sea creatures, succeeded by land animals, birds, and finally humans (this is the order in which evolution is supposed to have happened) i dont know about you, but i find this pretty amazing. back on topic: i noticed people saying that if there was some ancient civilization, there might be more evidence, but some pretty big empires have dissapeared (especially in the mesoamerican region) without a trace, only to be built upon by an almost identical civilization which makes any artifacts indiscernable from civilization to civilization. in the middle east for example, there were a few civilizations (assyrians, akkadians, babylonians, etc.) that rose, peaked, and were wiped out very rapidly by new empires which simply absorbed their culture and language. if this has happened recently enough for us to have noticed it, why couldnt it have happened in a time prior to our historical knowledge? before 2500 BC, there doesnt seem to be much evidence for anything. could this be due to something like a worldwide flood? the most famous flood is in the bible, but almost EVERY culture has a similar story - promoting the idea that a huge flood destroyed alot of the historical evidence for some of the big civilizations of the early earth. wow, im out of breath just from typing so fast! |
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Okapidragon
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Re: Ancient Technologies and Knowledge.
« Reply #16 Posted Jan 12, 2010, 12:35 AM » |
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The story of Noah's great flood probably came originally from the Babylonian city-state of Sumer. This area is low, basically a basin, and apparently one great flood came once and was written about. However, there is literally not enough water on Earth to flood the world all over; If the ice caps melted, all of the rain fell, and the springs all erupted, tere would be enough water to flood about half of the land mass, and there is obvious evidence that none of these as ever happened. However, all coastal areas definitely have had major floods, and major flood stories. Occam's Razor is the fact that the simplest explanation is usually true, as all things tend towards the simplicity and chaos of entropy, even in social affairs, and the simplest explanation, in this case, is not that several hundred million gallons of water suddenly appeared on the planet for enough time to flood out every culture, then, mysteriously as it had come, disappeared after a time, but that these cultures, as you said earlier, communicated and absorbed each others' culture; Nearly every area is within the reach of a coastal community or Tartars. The simplest explanation for the mysterious tall race, in turn, might be a simple matter of eastern invaders, but that China tells of them too, and that we have no evidence of such a culture's being indigenous to any region. Therefore, the simplest explanation is that their home sank into a fault that we know to exist, and know to be potentially dangerous. At any rate, on the subject of ancient technology, it is not actually surprising that people 10 000 years ago had nearly as advanced technology as was possessed as of the middle ages, 1 000 years ago. We tend to think that technology is linear, and under that assumption, we would still have rocks being tossed at each others' heads as our most advanced "tools" 10 000 years ago, and we would be sea creatures just a few years before. The thing is that society has changed, generally for the better, in spite of things like the Tartar invasions, Crusades, other "Holy Wars," slavery, etc., so that aside from constant atrocity the overall human condition has improved. Therefore, whereas by 1 000 years ago housing for the populace and diet had improved, technology had hardly advanced; However, the rate of technology doubles every few years, so that, in numeric terms, you can think of 10 000 years ago as being 1.0001 on a technological scale, with the formula being (tech)=(2^(years/3))n+1. Therefore, whereas technology would still be below 1.25 about a thousand years ago, it would now be somewhere in the thousands (this obviously being slightly inaccurate, but you get the point). 10 000 years ago, we had A-frames, and built Wonders (ahem  ) with them, and a hundred years ago the best we had were calipers and compasses and slide rules, only slight advancements. However, we now have computers that literally double in power every single year, making it uneccesary even to use tools for measurement at all. Most of the advancement is in the last undred years, and it gets faster every year; However, though our starting point may be unaccounted for, there is seemingly little difference between 10 000 years ago and 5 000, and between 5 000 and 2 000, and between 2 000 and 1 000, and so forth, whereas we were building up to our current velocity all along, with increasing acceleration. |
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